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February 10, 2005


Lucy Buckner

I'm applauding you for all the work/time you put into this. It was some interesting reading. I'd like to take exception to a couple of comments you made since I was raised up in the 50's& 60's, have traveled to Africa and other parts of the world while being black :}! But, I will comment further at a later date when I have more time and after I've read more on your website. I really feel that you've done a good job. Keep the faith and keep probing. God Bless you. Lucy


Thanks for the comment. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I'd love for you to share your perspective. i don't pretend to know it all and understand it all, and when we write down ideas sometimes it can come off as sweeping judgements. For example, I don't believe that Western missionaries did only bad things in Africa. There are lots of admirable things that they did as people. And the churches they left behind are not worthless. When I talk about "ineffective forms" I'm talking more about the trappings that go around church. ...

Anyway, my comments were aimed particularly at getting people to realize that all parts of the Body have something important to contribute to our understanding of how to respond to our world today, and that Africans and African-Americans have an especially important perspective.

I'm eagerly awaiting yours!

Tim Bednar

Brilliant. Brilliant. Please continue to write. Thanks.

Andrew Jones


A friend from Africa (Ngwiza - who now heads up DAWN International) told me a few years ago that the postmodern question was a very relevant one for African churches, in particular because the modern church introduced to them by Scottish missionaries could not deal with the demonic or the supernatural with its Enlightenment mentality.

Another interesting fact - the area of the world with the most 24-7 prayer rooms last summer was Africa.


I'll be back to read this again and ponder it, but for now I just want to say that I'm glad someone is even discussing these things.



This is so weird. Some of us in the AfroCaribbean churches in London were discussing the same question. The whole emergent question is rising up here in a big way.

It is a predominant theme in the predominantly white churches but has only hit black churches (that I know of) in the last year or so. The interesting thing to watch here is that the largest denominations are very muched based around the personalities, and many of the others are scared of change.

The shift from predominantly evangelical, to one where discipeship is emphasised as much (amongst other issues) will either break or many congregations.....and we haven't even started talking about the predomintantly asian churches.

Watch this space.


I spent two weeks with Ngwiza (from Andrew's previous post) living in his home, sharing time with his family and getting to know the churches he works with in Africa. And I wholeheartedly agree with what Ngwiza said to Andrew. There are a lot of things we can learn from the church in Africa if only many American Christians (and I'm sure Europeans as well, although it's been some time since I've been in Europe) could step out of their bubble and see that there is more to the world than simply themselves.
As the world becomes a more global society, the conversation needs to include all corners of the Earth, not just the ones we know the best.
I'm glad I stumbled onto this page tonight, I'm looking forward to seeing the continuing conversation!


I believe you are correct. I don't believe the conversation is one that needs to remain elite, as IT HAS... But I do say that those that the conversation has been kept from, must be WILLING to be a part of the conversation. I am quite white... and 80% of the African-American friends I have who claim to live the faith in Christ are actually lukewarm about that faith. This is about the same percentage of caucasians I know who tend to be in the middle ground of living out their faith. Although, I will say that I do see an emerging intensity in many majority caucasian churches that, frankly, has not been quite as obvious in the evolving African-American church. I still believe that just as caucasian churches need to branch out beyond the definitions of church as a building, relational evangelism, and simple traditional "God in a box" theology... so do African-American churches. I part of growing movement of churches who are branching out in the name of Jesus Christ... the world's light and greatest source of love. Be Blessed. -North Carolina

Samul Ramesh

Iam the paster i been continue the gospal servising now we are starting the jesus house
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Bill Ekhardt

I'm a white pastor of a predominantly black church in Dallas Texas. I just wrote a paper on postmodern worship for a DMin course at Fuller Seminary. In it, I said that it was difficult to see the ways in which Postmodernity was affecting the Black community here in Dallas.

I am interested in exploring the role that the emerging conversation can play in my Black congregation. So far I agree with others that it is more limited than in white communities. That's not to dampen our exploration, just my observation so far.

sandra jackson

I am an black woman missionary in Andalusia, Alabama. I am speaking a an african-american. I do agree that there are limitations as whites and blacks in postmodernity as we see them. I also know from biblical insight and scripture that God is doing a new thing. In scripture we find that God says whoever is not for me is against me. As the world sees it there are limitations but a lot of these limitations are limitations that we label ourselves with. Because salvation is free, not getting personal but limitations depend on we as individuals and how far we are willing to let the Spirit of God takes as we strive to study to show ourselves approval a workman needing not be ashame rightly dividing the work of truth and learn more about this wonderful relationship that every Christian black or white ought of have with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the anointed one.

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